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The HaltingWinter Podcast

Episode 267 of The HaltingWinter Podcast
Brought to you by Tyler Technologies

Some cities live at a steady hum. Carbondale, Illinois, often lives at full volume.

With a major university, a long history of activism, and national issues regularly surfacing on local streets, Carbondale is one of those rare communities where protests, politics, and public pressure are part of the weekly rhythm. And for City Manager Stan Reno, that’s not a crisis — it’s the calling.


The HaltingWinter Podcast

Episode 266 of The HaltingWinter Podcast
Brought to you by Tyler Technologies

Most people spend their careers trying to avoid storms.
City managers don’t get that luxury.

In this week’s episode of The HaltingWinter Podcast, I talk with Rebecca Grill, City Manager of Oshkosh, Wisconsin, a leader whose entire career has been shaped by one defining principle:

When the storm forms, don’t wait for it to pass. Run toward it.


You’re sitting in your office. It’s 7 PM. The budget still doesn’t balance. Your phone has three unread texts from a council member who’s “just checking in.” The community meeting from earlier today is still replaying in your head and not in a good way.

And you’re thinking: “How did I end up here?”


The HaltingWinter Podcast

Episode 264 of The HaltingWinter Podcast
Brought to you by Tyler Technologies

When cities talk about homelessness, the conversation usually turns toward capacity, compassion, and cost. But very few leaders talk about navigation—how impossible it is for someone without ID, transportation, or support to move through a maze of agencies, forms, and requirements that even seasoned professionals struggle to understand.

And that’s exactly where this week’s guest shines.


The HaltingWinter Podcast

Episode 263 of The HaltingWinter Podcast
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If you’ve spent any time in local government, you know the job isn’t just about projects, policies, or paperwork. It’s about possibility—the possibility that a city can grow, adapt, and serve its people better tomorrow than it does today.


You know that moment. The one you don’t talk about at staff meetings or mention at conferences.

You’re sitting in your office after the council meeting where everything went sideways. Or you’re in your car at 7 p.m., staring at the steering wheel, wondering why you’re still doing this. Or you’re lying awake at 2 a.m., replaying the public hearing where residents blamed you for problems you didn’t create and can’t solve alone.

And the question surfaces: “Why am I doing this?”


The HaltingWinter Podcast

Episode 261 of The HaltingWinter Podcast
Brought to you by Tyler Technologies

Most people think Thanksgiving revolves around one table—the dining room table where we gather with food, family, and the stories that shape our lives. But there’s another table that rarely gets noticed. It’s the table that holds up our cities, our counties, and our communities every single day.

This week on The HaltingWinter Podcast, I stepped away from the interview format to offer something different: a simple, direct thank you to the people who keep our communities running.


The HaltingWinter Podcast

Episode 260 of The HaltingWinter Podcast
Brought to you by Tyler Technologies

When most people think of leadership in local government, they picture policy debates, budget battles, and the relentless pressure of public scrutiny. What they rarely see is the quieter work—the listening, the learning, the steady presence—that actually holds an organization together.

That’s the work Paul Nerland has committed his life to.

In Episode 260 of The HaltingWinter Podcast, “The Leader Who Never Stopped Listening,” Paul shares the surprising and deeply human story behind his leadership journey. And in doing so, he offers a masterclass for anyone serving in local government today.


MLDC Book of the Week: “Made to Stick” by Chip & Dan Heath

You spent three months developing the strategic plan. Every department contributed. The data was solid. The analysis was thorough. The recommendation was sound.

You walked into the council meeting prepared and confident.


The HaltingWinter Podcast

Episode 258 of The HaltingWinter Podcast
Brought to you by Tyler Technologies

Some leaders plan every move. Others stumble into their calling through a series of detours that somehow make perfect sense in hindsight.

Micah Gaudet belongs to the second group.

Now the Deputy City Manager of Maricopa, Arizona, Micah never set out to work in local government. His path ran through military intelligence, state emergency management, and county public safety. Yet each step—though unplanned—prepared him for the exact kind of leadership cities need today: grounded, self-aware, and purpose-driven.