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Episode 406 of The HaltingWinter Podcast
Sponsored by Tyler Technologies

What if the biggest obstacle to modernizing policing has nothing to do with technology?

Body cameras. Drones. License plate readers. Artificial intelligence. There’s no shortage of technology promising to transform how police departments operate.

But what happens when we invest in better tools without investing in the people using them? That’s a question worth asking, not just for police chiefs, but for every leader in local government.

In Episode 406 of The HaltingWinter Podcast, I sit down with Doreen Jokerst, Chief of Police for Overland Park, Kansas, to explore what meaningful modernization actually requires.

Doreen has spent her career navigating the complexities of law enforcement, from municipal policing to leading a university police department through periods of extraordinary public scrutiny.

And she’s convinced that the future of policing requires us to look beyond the equipment, policies, and procedures.

It requires us to look inside the organization.

What kind of culture are we creating? How are we caring for the people who spend their careers caring for our communities? And what happens when the relationship between a police chief and city manager becomes a true leadership partnership rather than a battle over priorities and resources?

Doreen challenges some conventional thinking about policing, organizational culture, and what it means to lead people through change.

But here’s what makes this conversation especially valuable: You don’t have to lead a police department to recognize the challenges she’s describing.

If you’re responsible for people, culture, and results in local government, this episode is for you.

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Tyler Technologies

This episode is sponsored by Tyler Technologies, the leader in empowering the public sector with software solutions that connect data, streamline operations, and improve service delivery. From AI to budgeting solutions, Tyler helps local governments build stronger, more resilient communities. Learn more at tylertech.com/winter →

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The HaltingWinter Podcast shines a spotlight on the people behind our cities and counties. Through candid conversations with local government leaders from across the nation, host Seth Winterhalter explores the journeys, challenges, and ideas shaping stronger communities while inspiring the next generation of public servants.